Discovery 3

Re: Discovery 3

Postby EcurieArgyll » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:58 pm

Great thread. What's the treat then?
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Re: Discovery 3

Postby A.J.M » Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:14 pm

Flatdog4x4 are the cheapest for the Safari Snorkel. £215 +vat.

Got it for £190+ vat.

A modest saving but a saving regardless.

Shall be here this week and should be interesting to drill holes in the wing and the A pillar to fit it.

The A pillar is supposed to be a c**t to drill due to the way LR built them to withstand rollover damage.
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Re: Discovery 3

Postby A.J.M » Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:05 am

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One snorkel. The proper genuine one.

Also, due to a stroke of luck. I've bagged most of the prospeed underbody protection plates for a bargain price.

Plate on the right is the engine sump guard, this replaces the standard guard and uses the standard bolt holes, it extends much further back and has some specially machined mounts and bolts to fit at the rear.
The next guard along is the rear diff guard, it also has part of the spare tyre surround fitted. That's the black rubber parts.
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The black pole frame is a backbone for the centre plate, it bolts to the underside of the car in the chassis and then the centre frame goes on top of that,
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This is the centre guard as it will sit on the car. The foam covering was fitted for transit, that area is the suspension reservoir for the air system.
The black parts at the rear follow the chassis rails of the car. The guard is reassuringly heavy and thick. IE, i can just about lift it on my own, just.
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These parts brand new list for £299 for the engine sump, £999 for the centre guard, and £329 for the diff guard.
£1627 for the parts....

I didn't pay even half that, including delivery. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

The diff guard will get fitted next week along with the snorkel as i've got all the drill bits, sealant and other bits i need ready.

The sump and centre will get fitted at a local Land Rover specialist when it goes in for a 4 wheel alignment as some of the mount bolts are for the front and rear suspension arms. Plus it's due a service so they can fit the plates after they change the oil and put a new fuel filter on it.

I really should have put the cash into the injectors, but i've never seen these guards come up for sale 2nd hand before. So sometimes you need to grab the deal when it's in front of you.

The car i got my bits from, was made in 2014, and basically the owner threw a blank cheque at the build.
The rack would have been over £1500.
The wheels and height rod package would be over £2700.
Sliders £900+
Full underbody package £2500+

The car was sold on and the new owner took all the parts off and sold them cheap. So a few people got a decent bargain as the rack was £700, sliders £400, wheels £1000. the full underbody package would have been £1000 but he was happy to split it for a few of us who wanted various bits.
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Re: Discovery 3

Postby A.J.M » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:00 pm

Update time again.

Now. As a previous post showed, i managed to get a fair chunk of the underbody protection plating for a very reasonable price.
Here is the plating laid out roughly where it would go on the car.
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The black flaps when tightened go round the spare wheel area.
The black pipework stretches from the gearbox cross member to the front of the lower arm bolts.
The mid section goes from the front of the rear wheels to the back of the front wheels.
It's 6mm aluminium plating, but still VERY heavy so will be ideal for my use.

I also have the AMK compressor guard on order so that should be here shortly.

So.

Big changes are the fitting of the Safari snorkel kit.
Which even with Safari's own guide which is surprisingly good, and 2 guides online. It was still a pain to do.
Biggest issue drilling some of the holes in the car.

Sadly i forgot to take some pictures.
So i have borrowed pictures from the 2 other guides. So some pictures show a silver car and some show a white car.

This is the kit that comes from the box.
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Step 1.
Remove the black outer arch and the inner arch liner.
Lots of pop clips to remove so a trim remover tool is worth having.
Also remove the wing intake grill,
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Step 2.
Remove the complete air intake system from the car. Air box, pipework etc.
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Notice the small elbow pipe with all the holes in it?
That pipe sits behind the wing and headlight going to the air box.
That part and a few others stops the factory raised air intake from being a snorkel as the system is not water or air tight.

Step 3.
Attack the inner wing with a dremmal after marking out the new wing outline with one of the templates provided.
This needs to be enlarged to get the watertight elbow pipe in the wing and the new pipework.

From this.
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To this.
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Step 4.
Drill 5 holes around the intake on the wing.
These according to Safari need to be two sizes, 14mm and 16mm. In reality, 12mm for the holes is more than plenty.
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Step 5.
The hard part.
You need to firstly and VERY carefully, remove the black trim from the A pillar and attach a template to cut a slot in it.
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Then you need to drill 5 holes in the A pillar to 5mm. The outer skin is easy to pass.
The inner is part of the reinforced steel crash structure that gives the D3/4 platform it's excellent crash rating.
It is known all around the world, this is the hard part and has caused more tempers to flare, drill bits to get broken etc than anything else. Ever.

Now, i cheated and called in a mate who went and got a brand new drill as my drill was old and crap.
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So, between us, we got the drill to finally drill 5 holes in the pillar.
One bracket was offered up and finally, we applied sealant and the 5 pop rivets.
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Take care when working the rivet gun, you don't wan't to hit the wind screen.

This is the upper support bracket and holds the snorkel in place via 3 bolts.
So we offered it up to see how it sat. Sat fine so onwards.
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Step 6.
The new pipework can be fitted.
The watertight pipe is offered up, the wing hose is attached with it's jubilee clip and the 3 securing pop rivets are drilled and fitted.
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Before you refit the air box, you need to seal 3 drain holes to make the system watertight.
You can go nuts with the sealant, i know i did.
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Next you fit the airbox to the new pipework, making sure the foam trim is on and you have went round the trim and the box with plenty of sealant.
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Step 7.
Before you fit the snorkel. You need to connect the pipe up to it and ensure the jubilee clip is on and tight.
Then line up the 5 bolts and fit it on the wing.
You will need small hands, and also ratchet spanners to firstly fit the 5 washers and nuts, then tighten them up as there is about 2-3 inches at most clearance to get into the from the gap in the outer to inner wing.

Once done up. Fit and tighten up the 3 A pillar bolts. Then apply cup.
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( I got this cup at the Christmas night out for having the most boring thread on the forum, or something similar. :lol: )

Step 8.
Fit the snorkel head, which has 4 drain channels in it to help clear water when driving in rain.
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Step 9.
Rebuild the trim and airbox lines.
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How it looks now it's all built up.
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Next up for it will be the fitting of the underbody stuff.
I've had to buy some new bolts to help with getting it on as some of the bolts have never been off the car since it went down the assembly line and 11 1/2 years of the UK climate hasn't been kind to them.

Also the light bar is going to get it's proper mount soon.

Next up maintenance wise is a new set of injectors as i've got an overfuelling issue and i can either waste time chasing it from cylinder to cylinder or bin all 6 and start afresh.
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Re: Discovery 3

Postby Angelus » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:29 am

Great update and I'm glad to see the mug being used. :lol:
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Re: Discovery 3

Postby A.J.M » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:35 am

The mug holds a decent amount of tea.
Is used quite often.

Have more updates to write up but after 2 attempts and it not saving I'm breaking it down into smaller chunks.
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Re: Discovery 3

Postby Angelus » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:02 pm

A.J.M wrote:The mug holds a decent amount of tea.
Is used quite often.


I had lined up a joke about the one drilling the A pillar........but that would be cruel. :lol:
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Re: Discovery 3

Postby AMD » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:51 pm

Spotted you in airdrie today gave you a beep but not sure you knew the car :mrgreen:
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Re: Discovery 3

Postby A.J.M » Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:45 pm

White Skoda? I got a beep and a wave from someone in one of them.

Thread is due a massive update soon once I sort moving several years of images from photobucket to another picture hosting site.

Have since added the Prospeed underbody protection.
Changed roof racks to Front runner slimline 2 full length.
Bought front runner 2nd fuel tank and guard, because both were going for silly cheap money.
Added BAS remap.
Got some other bits to add to it.

Battered it about off road.

Car is currently getting stripped of all off road gear as it's going in for a respray this month and will be getting the underside stripped, cleaned up and resealed.

Hoping to have everything sorted and ready for end of March.
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Re: Discovery 3

Postby Angelus » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:05 pm

Can't wait to see the finished article. Impressive amount of work gone into it.

BTW, you can upload images on here by using the wee "add image" button just below the text box. :D
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Re: Discovery 3

Postby AMD » Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:58 pm

A.J.M wrote:White Skoda? I got a beep and a wave from someone in one of them.

Thats the one white fabia black alloys with yellow DRLs and Fogs
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Re: Discovery 3

Postby A.J.M » Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:49 pm

Car is currently in bodyshop, will be there till next week before it can come home and i can start to rebuild it with new parts.

Getting the bonnet redone as it's got lots of stone chips and deep scratches in it.
Sides are getting redone to sort chips, deep scratches and some off road damage from using a banking as an aid to get round a corner.
Roof is getting a rust spot sorted and various marks sorted.
Rust round fuel filler cap is getting fixed, not a common Disco fault, gut feeling is water has got in and trapped and it's bubbled out from that.
Tailgate has rust marks from the ladder. Ladder had powder coating issues which has flaked off and caused rust behind handle and at the top.
Unexpected and rather annoying.

However, the car will come back in fantastic condition. Once the paint is set and all ready, it's going to a detailer to get the first coat of polish applied and the paintwork properly sealed. New washing gear for it will be ordered as well.

Also getting new badges all round, standard "Brunel Grey" is being swapped to Gloss black. Also some trim bits are being replaced with new fresh ones.

Now to get stuff sorted for the rebuild.
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Re: Discovery 3

Postby Angelus » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:35 pm

Canny wait to see it. :D
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Re: Discovery 3

Postby A.J.M » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:20 pm

Small update for this.

Sadly the paintwork has not been done to the standard i hoped for. So it's going back in to get redone.
There are a lot of bits wrong/jobs not done as asked etc. So will be annoying them till it's done to the standard i want it to be.

However. On happy and expensive news.
I ordered 6 new VDO Seimens injectors for the car. The old ones were getting worn, and the flow rates were showing 4 were over fueling and 2 were under. So the performance was down, the smoke was up and the mpg had gone through the floor.

I'll have a write up on that as 5 have been changed with help from a mate, the 6th injector however, has refused to come out. So will need to try that one again. Bloody sodding thing.

So far, i've done 1 full tank on the 5 new ones. Mpg has gone up by 3.8mpg calculated, smoke is down, and it drives much better.
So an expensive but worthwhile effort. When i get the 6th out, it should give a bit more.

I also have a new torque converter for the gearbox, and have a replacement lower miles box to go in it as mine is worn, throwing fault codes up and is beginning to thump some gears. It has just over 160,000 miles on it so it's had a fair life. It's also going to get the old glow plugs removed and replaced with new ones, the coolant, brake fluid and power steering fluid all changed and properly bled and a 4 wheel alignment.

It will get fitted this month at Prestige Jaguar Land Rover in Paisley.

I also managed to pick up a unused set of these sliders on the cheap as well, along with the step inserts.
These sit wider than the current set up so will give better protection to the doors, they will also tie in with the compressor guard and with the step inserts they will be a good side step as well.
Ignore the price, as i paid way less than that.
http://prospeed-group.co.uk/wp-content/ ... liders.jpg

The one thing i can speak about without sticking pictures up, as the cars still in bits and looks crap without all it's tat on, is the remap.

Many on here will have had their car remapped, or live mapped to give better performance.

From the factory, the 2.7 v6 has 188bhp and 325lb ft of torque. 2 egr valves but no DPF as it's a EU3 engine.
Stick that engine in the D3 and 0-60 is 11 seconds and top speed is limited to 112mph.
Reasonable for a 2.7 ton house but it can be made better.

There are plenty of companies offering maps, and tunes, all claiming lots of lovely figures and such.
Figures of 240bhp and such can be kicked around and better mpg etc promised.

I went for a remap from a company that is a long term Disco forum sponser and land rover tuner, they also created the IID tool i have on the car and have spent a long time getting a good map sorted for the D3.
I have a BAS map on it now. They claim power is at 228bhp and torque will be at around 390lb ft. I do have the larger intercooler so that should add to the figures by another 5-10bhp.

The other map i had considered was from a company called Alive. They also claim similar power and torque gains and have also been a long term land rover tuner. So both know the cars and the abilities well.

My choice was down to my own personal use of the car, and a mate has the Alive map on his.
He likes it but the power is more up the rev range, whereas my car spends a lot of time around town so low down grunt and torque is more useful to me. As with everything, you go with what you need. I'm not chasing overall power figures. I need a car that's got good low down and mid range shove.

So far, i'm happy with the map and how it's changed the drive ability of the car. It will get better when i have a fully working gearbox to make proper use of the power but even with the current set up, there is a notable change.



Next up for work after the box and glow plugs is the underside clean up and reseal.
A mate who owns a Landy garage is going to strip the underside down, steam clean it, remove old underseal, rub down and fix any rust spots and then coat the underside of the bodyshell, and chassis with Buzzweld to protect it for the next 5 years.

Then it's onto getting various accessories and bits Raptor coated to protect them from the harsh Scottish Climate.

I am hoping to have most of that sorted by the end of May. Hoping... :roll:
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Re: Discovery 3

Postby Angelus » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:41 pm

Hope I see it at breakfast at the end of May. 8-)
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